comes at a time when the lines have blurred between the military and the intelligence field, and it's going to be so important to do robust congressional oversight in order to protect both our security and our liberty. >> senator widen is one of the senators who was pushing for the release of more noftion and it comes just hours before the confirmation hearing for john brennan. the white house counterterrorism adviser was the architect of the president's drone policy and one of its biggest defenders. >> it's this surgical precision, the ability with laser-like focus to eliminate the cancerous tumor called an al qaeda terrorist. >> i want to bring in "the washington post's" political reporter nia-malika henderson and politico's white house reporter carrie brown. good morning. >> good morning. >> this issue has been simmering for a while. why did the white house decide to do this now? >> well, this wasn't about to go

away for the president and it was particularly interesting timing given that today his nominee for the cia is going to have his confirmation hearing, and, quite frankly, there was a growing bipartisan call in the senate in congress for the white house to finally acknowledge this program and provide the legal basis for the targeting killings by drones. this has been something that has been -- they've been under pressure for years to acknowledge and to provide more guidance on to congress and just to the public at large, and, quite frankly, this hearing today, you know, john brennan wasn't going to be able to escape questions, and it probably would have been very difficult for him, still will be difficult, but you have both democrats and republicans in congress openly contemplating the idea that they may not even confirm john brennan. so this was really the white house being pushed to the brink here and having to finally move

forward with what little bit of what congress wants. >> we heard ron wyden say this is a step. nia-malika your paper argues this should be released. yet 83% of americans said they supported the president's use of drone strikes. i'm wondering is there any public pressure to be more transparent? is that going to happen now? >> that's really interesting. i mean, you cited that poll, 83% of folks agree with the drone program, its use at least overseas. there's a difference if this is used on our soil here, certainly no backing for that among americans, but so far you haven't seen the outcry of a public outcry in terms of this program being used to target americans overseas. i think this is the first big public airing of this issue that we've seen. we'll see obviously brennan take it up today and perhaps after that you'll have americans raising some concern, but so far

there has been bipartisan concern i think on the hill. it hasn't extended to the american public, and even in some ways you have had a situation here where republicans have been the fiercest supporters of this program. some folks saying what about democrats also being in the president's corner if this was bush doing the same thing? would they have had a different take? so far the president seems to be on pretty comfortable ground here when it comes to the public concern around this. >> the example we've seen over and over again, anwar al awlaki and then there's a white paper michael isikoff got ahold of that basically says that the u.s. can go after people it believes are senior leaders of al qaeda, engaged in operations aimed at killing americans even if there is no imminent threat. here is what house intelligence committee chairman told andrea mitchell about that. >> you don't just kill the enemy when they're at the gate. you try to make sure that you get them before they even get

close to having an operation that could kill americans. that's the whole safety net that we try to produce anywhere in the world. and so there isn't some long list of americans. i can candidly tell you that. >> but, carrie, the other argument is this is execution without trial and aren't we supposed to be better than that. >> that's at the root of the concern you're hearing from a growing number of democrats, certainly from ron wyden. this is based on the idea, a lot of the criticism is two part. one, there's concern about the legal basis for this and just the act, but at the same time just concern that the president, who's made a big part of his brand and a big part of his campaign promising on being transparent, that he's not living up to that, and that is something that the white house is extraordinarily sensitive to and even reactive to the fact that they're being criticized for not being transparent, and this was a pretty good example

of them really holding back on a lot of pretty significant, serious information, and even going back to 2009 when the president decided to release memos dealing with the bush era interrogation techniques, he was pretty forth coming in trying to air out that. a lot of people looked at this comparison and said there's something that's not matching up, that he's being, you know, hypocritical about this, that there's some pretty serious national security issue here that congress isn't being briefed on, that the public isn't getting information for. this is part of this thing where the white house probably looked down the road and said this isn't going to get any easier for us. the criticism is only going to be heightened in terms of what we're not telling congress, what we're not releasing to the public. >> and to your earlier point, rick lowry, your colleague has an opinion piece in politico this morning called "cheney's revenge" and he compare this is issue to waterboarding and the bush administration. let me quote from that. democratic partisans might be

confused. they considered bush a threat to america's liberty because of his defense of his war powers, yet their hero stands on similar ground. how to resolve the contradiction? easy. conclude that they were wrong the first time. nia-malika, do you think we're hearing less outrage about this because it's coming from a president who is a democrat? >> in some ways i think that's right. in president obama you had someone who campaigned in wanting to turn the page in terms of foreign policy from the bush doctrine, from the bush era policies, but in many ways has followed them and has been handed this entire security apparatus, this particular program began in 2004, about 400 strikes have happened so far. about 3,000 people have been killed, mostly pakistan, somali, yemen. but you have had this sort of deafening silence for the most part from progressives and liberals around this. you have had a few voices certainly on the hill and even on your network to raise questions about it, but by and large, the president has been

given something of a pass. i think also the public has moved beyond this in some ways. there's a post-9/11 new normal in terms of how the public looks at the prosecution of this war on terror. they see it, it seems to me, as a vast war, an endless war in some ways that might be best prosecuted in this way rather than those large land wars we saw in afghanistan and iraq of this sort of pinpointed targeting of folks seem so far to have found some positive backing from americans. >> the cover of "time" magazine is rise of the drones, and joining me is time's deputy washington bureau chief michael crowley. good to see you. >> good morning. >> how do you think all of this conversation that's suddenly focused on drones might color john brennan's hearing today? >> well, you know, i think this is in a way an opportunity for members of congress to vent on all these issues. congress has taken a real backseat on all of these issues,

on what we used to call the war on terror, although the administration has phased that phrase out. i think what you're going to see is there's a lot of pent up frustration and i think members are just going to kind of want to weigh in and sound off without actually taking brennan down or taking too much flesh out of his hide. i think he's going to be confirmed. i don't think it's going to be a particularly ugly day. to some degree a lot -- members of congress are very interested in these questions about reliance on drones. what is their appropriate use. but a lot of the frustration is just they want more information. the whole hullabaloo around this white paper, those members of congress were frustrated they weren't able to see the legal opinions. they were not saying, mr. president, clearly you don't have the authority to kill an american citizen. they were saying, we want to see the reasoning, we want to see the memos, we want to see for

ourselves. so it was actually kind of an access to information issue as much as a question about morality, legality, ethics and so forth. i think we'll see a lot of venting today, but it's not going to be all that bloody. >> i thought it was a great article in "time." i thought one of the most fascinating parts of it was really how this drone program i think unbeknownst to most americans has really grown exponentially. ten years ago the pentagon had 50 drones. today it's 7,500. a third of the air force's fleet unmanned. u.s. military carried out 447 drone attacks in afghanistan in the first 11 months in 2012. 294 total in all of 2011. what's behind this drone explosion, if you will? >> well, i think that drones are sort of irresistible for a policymaker, for a president who is worried about protecting the country but also, you know, a president who in many ways was formed politically by the

experiences in iraq and afghanistan, at least as far as his foreign policy views, who doesn't want to see dangerous, costly, bloody military entanglements in far away nations. drones are surgical. they're cheap. you can have a pretty high degree of accuracy. it is true that there have been numerous civilian casualties, but relative to any other technology we have short of sending in, you know, an assassin with a sniper rifle which in many cases just isn't practical, drones are the best way to sort of take the enemy off the battlefield. they don't cost a lot of money. there's no risk to u.s. forces and it's more or less invisible. you don't see pictures of the, by and large, huge craters because they leave pretty small imprints. it's just a couple hellfire

missiles pretty often. pretty irresistible. what we have not had so much debate about is what are the consequences in those countries where people see the effects of the drones, their relatives are being killed. are we potentially creating more terrorists over the long run than we're killing. that's the burning policy question in washington. i think there hasn't been enough debate about it. >> the other question it raised in your article is the obama administration asked the faa to speed up processing of integrated drones into civilian air space. they could be used by police departments, farmers, builders, hollywood, but with this progress comes some concern, right? >> absolutely. so the article by my wonderful colleague lev grossman, i believe the cover line is "drones come home." what he did is after explaining to people how much we're relying on drone technology abroad for national security, he's saying what people may be even less aware of is the degree to which they are about to come back and really explode in their domestic

use. law enforcement, border control, possibly paparazzi flying little drones over the backyards or god forbid up to the windows of celebrities and a variety of other uses. everything from farmers using them to look at their crops to real estate agents who are creating little videos of properties they're trying to sell. there are a lot of promising aspects of this, as with most any technology. for instance, the internet, it's so wonderful, the spread of information, the access people have, but, of course, the intrnlt has a dark side and can really shatter people's lives in a lot of ways. similarly, we're starting to see some of the dark sights of drones, particularly having to do with invasion of privacy. you know, little cameras flying around in the air. so the government is, i think, just beginning to get around to try to figure out how do we regulate drones, what do we say you can and can't do, who can have them? but we're just at the beginning of that. the concern is the technology is moving faster than the laws and the regulations.

>> which often happens with technology. >> which often happens. >> michael, thank you so much for coming on the program. >> thanks for having me. we just got this information. we gt an early look at the joint chiefs of staff, martin dempsey's testimony later today, he's going to acknowledge that the u.s. diverted a drone to benghazi within minutes of learning of the attack on the u.s. consulate. carrie, i guess we shouldn't be surprised. >> no. i mean, it's really fascinating. this is a program that really for -- until now the administration wouldn't even acknowledge exists. in their freedom of information requests put in by journalists, the journalists would get a response that the government would neither confirm nor deny the existence or nonexistence of memos that describe the legal basis for this program. so this is a really sort of fascinating turn that we're getting just a lot more information and, you know, the

administration is acknowledging, you know, that this program is as comprehensive as this, even the fact that a drone was diverted to benghazi is just something that, you know, who would have expected. >> and nia-malika, this is the kind of thing that i think people expect, but there are 11 states considering legislation restricting drones. this obviously is really probably just the start, the tip of the iceberg of these kind of debates, isn't it? >> that's right. i think that's where the conversation goes next. what about the use of drones here domestically, all the technological advances and implications they might have for people's privacy. i think that's where you will have the public starting to get engaged. >> thanks to both of you. >> thanks. we were just mentioning this with dempsey, but the senate armed services committee, there he is on your right, that's carl levin, holding a hearing on the defense department's response to the attack on the consulate.

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president obama's former campaign organization, organizing for action, has sent out a new e-mail asking undocumented workers to share their personal stories with the public. this is the latest strategic move in their campaign to build public support for immigration reform. now, at the same time a new quinnipiac university poll show asthma jort of americans, 56%, say illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay in the u.s. and apply for citizenship. 10% say they should be allowed to stay but not apply for citizenship, and 30% want them to leave. joining me now, one of the mayors on the front lines of the immigration reform battle, mayor greg stanton of phoenix.

mr. mayor, good morning. >> good morning to you, chris. >> house speaker john boehner has asked yesterday about whether undocumented young people who are commonly known as dreamers should be given a path to citizenship. let me play for you what he said. >> i want to do everything i can to foster this continuing conversation in a bipartisan fashion to deal with what is a very difficult issue in our country, but, you know, it's certainly worthy of consideration. >> we saw eric cantor on tuesday saying addressing undocumented youth would be, quote, a good place to start. are these the kinds of little signs out there that the tide might be turning? >> well, of course the tide is turning. we're at a knew -- unique while where things seem to be coming together at the right time.

if it does occur it will help news arizona, in my city of phoenix a great deal. >> what do you see from your perspective? what are the key components to immigration reform? what has to be includeded? wroo we know it has to be done in a bipartisan way, but a city like mine where i have soon to be a majority latino city and i think that's a strategic advantage for a city like mine, our proximity to the border of mexico, it's a young latino population, a bilingual population, gives us some competitive economic advantages in trade with mexico, latin america, central america. we have to pass comprehensive immigration reform in a way where there is a path to citizenship. it's not an easy path. you have to go to the back of the line and pay a fine or make sure that taxes are appropriately paid. we know that border security has to be an element of it as well, and the dream act has to be a part of it. with so many young people doing the right thing, in college,

being leaders of the future, entering the military, in phoenix that's our leaders of the future. we want to support those leaders, so the dream act is incredibly important to the future of my city. >> last month i know you attended the 21st century border initiative meeting. last week you met with president obama before his speech on immigration in las vegas. i'm curious, what did you say to him and what do you make of his proposals and his approach? >> well, i told the president that i was proud of him for making this a priority, that now is the time. his message to me was to keep supporting our two senators from arizona, senator mccain and flake who are on the front lines of this issue. we know this can only be done in a bipartisan way, and that's why i'm so excited to hear leaders of both parties heading to the right direction, but we can't delay. we can't allow the minor things that may separate folks from getting in the way of the major items that really bring us together. and we have to stay focused in on the right thing for our

economy. and bringing these 11 million or 12 million people into our economy as tax paying members of our community, those that have not committed crimes, those that have been here a for a long period of time working hard, getting them fully into our economy, getting those young people into a position where they can be leaders of the future is nothing but a good thing for the future of the economy. i know it's a tough issue, it's a contentious issue, but as a leader of a city, we look at things in terms of what advances our economy, what advances jobs in our city, and this is the right time. it's got to happen now. we can't delay too much locker. let's get this going in the right direction. >> you have said arizona's image was hurt by state lawmakers passing senate bill 1070 which is that tough law cracking down on illegal immigration, and you have also said you want to end the political deviivisivedivisi. how does that happen both in your state and on a national level? >> well, let me tell you, the federal inaction on this issue for way too long created this

vacuum and states like arizona, unfortunately, passed laws that i believe were unnecessarily divisive and hurt our economy but if congress had done the right thing and passed comprehensive immigration reform years ago we wouldn't be in this position. so i am as a mayor of a major american city, a southwestern city with a large latino population, i'm demanding action now. we need to get beyond this issue, and i believe if congress does the right thing, passes comprehensive immigration reform, passes the dream act, a state like mine which has been hurt by this divisive issue, can move on. it's time for arizona and phoenix to head in the right direction. >> mayor greg stanton, thank you so much. >> any time. thanks so much for having me on. a vote on chuck hagel's nomination has been delayed. senate armed services committee chairman carl levin had hoped to

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our ideas can help people close the gap between their dreams and the opportunities to realize them. while further fueling the 2016 feeding frenzy, this new cover from "time" magazine that reads, marco rubio, republican savior. let's bring in democratic strategist and former derry deputy campaign manager steve al man dorff and robert trayman. robert, after that bruising 2012 election season, is marco rubio the republican savior. >> well, i don't know if i would go that far, but he's certainly a rising star in the party. here is why. he's coming to the idea thoughtful with a lot of ideas. he's young. he comes from a very good swing state, the state of florida. he obviously is a son of immigrants. he's a minority and he's relevant in people's live. people look at him and say finally someone is thoughtful. finally someone is reasonable. finally someone looks like me in the republican party and also he has ideas. not necessarily i agree with all

of his ideas but i'm willing to listen. i'd say he's relevant but i'm not sure he's the savior yet. >> when he was asked, steve, to weigh in on all this 2016 speculation, here is what he told "time." >> i have always viewed politics the following way, if you do a good job at the job you're going, you will have opportunities to do things in the future, maybe things you never envisioned. would democrats worry about a marco rubio campaign in 2016? >> not yet. i think we have to see what he does and what other republicans do over the next couple years to reposition the party, and it's not really a question of just a different face. it's a question of the substance of what they're doing. one of the reasons they lost the election was because of their positions and barack obama's people greed with barack obama's issues and not theirs. so if they're willing to move and change and compromise, if marco rubio is willing to help pass a comprehensive immigration bill and actually succeed at it, and a lot of republicans vote for, it then he will get a lot of credit.

if he leads the way on immigration and a lot of republicans vote no, then he's not going to be a savior of the party. >> to his point, robert, i don't know if you read e.j. deon's column in "the washington post" today, he said it's a question of whether or not the republican party is rebranding or rethinking, and he wrote, republicans are slowly realizing that the nation's priorities are not the gop's traditional priorities. what do you make of that? >> i think it's a combination of both. i think it's rebranding but also rethinking. in order to rebrand yourself, tough rethink about your positions. in order to rethink your positions, you clearly have to rebrand them -- >> for example, you said you don't agree with all of rubio's positions. what are some of the things that would trouble you? >> well, look, i am a gay american, and so i believe in gays and lesbians being able to marry. i believe women should be able to serve on the front lines of the military. people in my party obviously disagree with some of those positions, but my understand something if you rethink your position, you're going to rebrand it.

mien my understanding is that the republican leadership is rethinking some of those positions. it's a combination of both. i keep saying the same thing but it really is a combination of both of those things. >> how big an opportunity, steve, is this response to the state of the union for somebody like marco rubio? >> well, i think the history of people responding to the state of the union is very hard. people of either party who have done it, it's hard to compete with the president of the united states standing in front of the congress. >> true, true. >> i don't think it's that big an opportunity. again, what ultimately matters is will the republican party change some of the substance of their positions, not just change the faces that they're putting out there. >> steve, robert, good to see you always, guys. thank you. >> thank you. also making news this morning, a major winter storm is taking aim at the northeast. two systems actually expected to collide bringing strong winds and heavy snow from new jersey all the way up through maine. the worst of it expected friday into saturday. more than 10 million people will be affected by this storm and

parts of massachusetts, new hampshire, and maine could see up to two feet of snow with wind gusts of 70 miles per hour. and it's exactly one year until the start of the 2014 winter olympic games in sochi, russia. so today russia unveiled countdown clocks in eight cities. the 2014 games are expected to cost $51 billion. it would be the most expensive olympics ever. can't wait for co-shsochi? check out our flash back when we take you back to the torino games. a mega merge ser about to take off. mandy drury is here with what's moving your money. cnbc reporting this, a deal between american and us airways pretty close to being done. >> that's absolutely right, chris. and as american airlines and us airways, which by the way is the parent close to reaching a merger agreement in a deal that would create the world's largest airline which is possibly going to be an announcement of the deal in the next couple of

weeks. now, the talk here is, chris, that an all stock deal between those two air carriers would be executed as a reorganization plan that takes amr out of chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and the combined company would be worth apparently more than $10 billion. so as we say, we could be getting that finalization of an announcement in the next couple of weeks. we'll have to watch out. >> is another story i know you've been watching, "jansing & co." meets at 5:30 in the morning. i'm going to say we're not always completely awake, but people's eyes bugged open this morning when we heard about this milestone for apple itunes. >> it's taken almost ten years. i'm going to say this as a caveat but it's still an amazing statistic. 25 billion songs. >> billion. >> billion with a "b." >> billion songs downloaded. >> billion with a "b" have been purchased on itunes. what was the 25 billionth

download, that's quite hard to say. not a phrase we often say. it was "monkey drums." i have never even heard of this song. maybe i'm just old or whatever. it was purchased by someone in germany who is going to receive an i-tunes gift card worth over $13,000 u.s. dollars. >> wow. >> but here are some amazing statistics for you. on average customers download 15,000 songs a minute on itunes. do the math, multiply that about $1.29 a song. you're talking over $1 million an hour. >> oh, that's a good business. thank you so much. cnbc's mandy drury. >> thank you. >> and if you think it costs a lot to live in new york or los angeles, no american city maded economists' list of the top 20 most expensive places to live. look at the top five. melbourne, australia. oslo, norway, number four.

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repeal capital punishment. they have a hearing scheduled for february 14th. one advocate is kirk noble bloodsworth, the first person whose capital conviction was ever overturned because of dna. convicted of murder, he spent nearly nine years in prison, including two on death row before being exonerated in 1993. good morning and thanks for being with us. >> good morning, chris. >> your story is unbelievable. you were accused of murdering a 9-year-old girl in 1984. tell us briefly how did you get convicted? >> well, it was all based on witness identification. a person that was described as being 6'5", curly blond hair, bushy mustache, tan skin, and skinny. chris, in 1984 my hair was as red as an apple. i had side burns down to here. i had a missing tooth in the front and i don't tan, i burn. and i wheighed over 200 and som points at that time.

after the dna tests were done and becoming the first dna exonree we found out the real killer was not 6'5", but 5'6" and 160 pounds. >> eyewitness accounts are notoriously suspect. you're currently the advocacy director who is pushing to end capital punishment. since 1976 maryland has executed five people. the last in 2005. but there are five men on death row right now. >> right. >> how tough is this fight? how successful might you be in overturning the death penalty. >> i think we're very successful. i think people are finding out the death penalty does not work and whether it's maryland or any of these other places that have abandoned the practice. i think maryland stands, you know, to really -- the one good thing about maryland is we have an appropriation within the bill

that the savings from the death penalty would go to the victims' crime fund. it's one of the only packages that's ever been put together like this. it would really help people. we've also found as i was on the commission and governor martin o'malley appointed me as one of the commissioners on this study commission on capital punishment, we voted 13-9 to abolish it and found that racial disparities and the fact of executing an innocent person could be a very valid issue. and the only way to be sure is not to have the death penalty at all. >> i learned about you through this fascinating article in "the new york times," and among other things they wrote this, even after his release, mr. bloodsworth could never quite escape the false charge that is had threatened him with execution. he tried to return, he said, to a normal life, but he was haunted by what he had learned about the justice system. what did you learn and how is it applicable to moving forward?

>> well, the justice system, you mentioned it earlier, 78% of all wrongful convictions are because of witness identification problems. there's 27% of wrongful convictions are because of false confessions. this and many other things, the way the death penalty is applied in america, it's racially despairing. black get more the death penalty. white on black crime, they don't get the death penalty. we cannot support as a group, the witness to innocence, support a death penalty that is racially biased. we cannot support a death penalty that has all these problems with it, and, you know, i found out a long time ago if it could happen to me, it could happen to anybody in the country. >> kirk noble bloodsworth, thank you very much. >> you're welcome.

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. we are keeping our eye on the senate armed services committee hearing on the consulate attack in benghazi. we have been listening to leon panetta and he talked about what needs to be done to protect these sorts of tragedies from happening in the future. >> it is clear that there are lessons to be learned here and steps that must be taken to ensure we're doing everything possible to protect our personnel and our facilities abroad. so in concert with the state department and the intelligence community, we are in the process of developing enhanced security for u.s. persons and facilities in the wake of benghazi. >> msnbc will continue to keep our eye on the benghazi hearing and keep you updated on news as it's made there. let's talk super bowl because it was the most tweeted super bowl ever. more than 24 million tweets. but one of them was fum geed by

an idaho lawmaker who apparently approved of a somewhat racy promo for the cbs show "broke girls." republican congressman raul labrador tweeted we liky broke girls. that tweet was deleted after only 14 girls and his office blames the tweet on, quote, a staff error. but labrador, who is a mormon and father of five, is just the latest politician to feel the heat for their tweets. here to talk about the perils and pitfalls of twitter and other social media is our friend, the co-founder of social media magazine. >> nice to be here. >> so it's deleted after 14 seconds. >> well, deleted after 14 seconds except, guess what, it was just on national tv forever. >> so explain that. you think you delete it and it's gone. >> everything that you do with technology is permanent, permanent fingerprints. you can put it on twitter and take it off 14 seconds later. it doesn't matter. once you put it out there, it's out there. there's no vacuum cleaner to

suck that comment back in. >> of course, the famous one was anthony weiner and when he had his infamous example of tweeting gone wrong. he initially said his twitter account had been hacked. >> yeah. >> labrador, a staff error. >> well, here is the thing, all the politicians, for that matter corporate america, ceos, do they actually tweet themselves? or do they have somebody hired to do it? is there a process in place for approval? i mean, in the old days politicians learn from henry kissinger who said does anybody have any questions for the answers i'm already going to give? twitter is an opportunity to just put out messages, but you got to be very, very careful about how you do that. >> let's talk about another tweet. this was from senator ben car n cardin. it reads could a carbon text be part of future budget negotiations? but then the website politwoods

tracks it. so is there really no advice that people could have except you better think about that before hitting send. >> well, yes. you need to filter. some filter. not just in the emotional spur of the moment that you're going to send something out that you want to take back. look what gets the attention. what gets the attention is the website that tracks deleted tweets. >> yeah. >> that's the place that gets the attention. so you better be darn sure if you're going to tweet it, that you want it to stick out there permanently. >> and then there's these back and forths sometimes. senator john mccain got some flack for a tweet a few days ago. so amehmadinejad wants to be th first iranian in speech. wasn't he just there last week. he was referring to iran sending a monkey into space. that drew charges of racism.

he sent back lighten up, folks, can't everyone cake a joke. amash responded maybe you should wisen up and not make racist jokes. >> if you know john mccain, john mccain is not a racist. it wasn't a racist comment, but what we have is a conversation going on in 180 characters back and forth. it's just like text messages. it's the same thing. we can't really have a conversation that way. nor can we tweet back and forth that way anything that's an issue of substance. so, you know, senator mccain can defend himself all he wants in the twitter world. it's never going to come off the way that he wants it to. >> so i guess the question for some people is, if twit ser a way to get information but we know that a lot of people like to learn personal things or personal opinions, if you're following someone who is famous in particular, you want to feel like you're an insider. here is what first lady michelle

obama sent out during the super bowl. watching the super bowl with family and friends. beyonce was phenomenal. i'm so proud of her. is safe the way to go but when you're safe, are you sometimes bordering on boring? >> well, you know, that's pretty boring to me. that said, michelle obama has a lot of followers who might be interested in what her opinion was of beyonce. but, you know, i think, especially for politicians, better to be safe than to be sorry. you have to live with sorry for a long time. >> like forever. >> forever is right. >> eric, it's always great to have you on the program. >> great to be here. >> thank you so much. >> by the way, if it doesn't say cj at the end of the tweet, somebody else tweeted it, so i'm very, very -- i learned from eric two years ago when we started "jansing & co." that wraps up this hour of the program. i'm chris jansing. thomas roberts is up next. hey, thomas, be careful out there. >> @jansing co-. dear chris, have i ever told you

you are as smart as you are beautiful? >> let's put that out. >> i expect a reply with cj at the end of it. good morning. the agenda next hour, defending drones. john brennan the president's pick going on the hot seat. the hearing promising to be the most public, probably the most telling of the administration's use of drones to kill americans overseas suspected of working with al qaeda. senator richard blumenthal will be here. and then we talk about new jersey governor chris clity defending his grirth and calls a former white house doctor a hack after she voices concern about his fitness telling her to shut up. should weight matter in presidential politics? and then who is afraid of ashley judd in karl rove is. his late he is attack ad on the popular actress, will it goad her into rubbing for mitch mcconnell's senate seat? ing to ♪ [ male announcer ] introducing the celebration diamond collection. zales is the diamond store.

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